Reverse trail directions (?)

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Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby Waynosan » March 18th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Been riding MTB since the mid 90's and I've always wondered why, year-to-year, we ride in the same direction. Seems like reversing trail direction once a year would be a great way to experience more of our trails without having to build up anything new and without increasing risk of crashes. I expect there would be a little more trail wear but certainly only a small fraction of what would be involved with building a completely new trail. Has this ever been discussed/considered? I do not like 2-way trails but I've ridden a few in the past in both directions and riding in the opposite direction, many feel completely different. Would be a great way to inject some excitement, challenge, etc. into our rides with the only downside being having to add some text about which direction the trail will run for even vs odd years. Thoughts?
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby c0nsumer » March 18th, 2018, 7:36 pm

I think this is a great idea for new trails like DTE, but it's kinda hard to do somewhere established. While those of us who are clued into the local MTB community will easily pick up on the yearly change, I can see it being a problem for somewhere that's already established as one direction.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby jthomp » March 18th, 2018, 7:50 pm

Wouldn’t it be great to ride some of favorite trails backwards in the day light? Would seem like a brand new trail!
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby amadkins » March 18th, 2018, 7:52 pm

I like the idea. There are lots of trails that alternate daily in other parts of the country. I don’t see why annual reversals would cause much trouble.

Although, some lights and early or late start times can accomplish the same thing. I often do reverse loops with new snow too.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby b_b » March 18th, 2018, 11:20 pm

I think a daily reversal schedule could also be adopted for existing trails if the land manager wanted to.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby AllMountin' » March 19th, 2018, 8:33 am

I generally like the daily reversals, and might prefer the reverse on Yankee and Custer. Both of those are examples of trails that made the switch after being long established one way. We did pass one rider going backwards on the fort on Saturday. But that was over the course of three laps, and not a big deal. We came across one group going wrong direction at Yankee, in the course of six laps. Again, not a big deal, so long as the vast majority respect the reversal, and they do.

I will say that it works better on pure xc trails than on modern flow trail designs, IMO. I like Fort and Yankee about the same either way, but Merrell red is vastly superior to yellow, IMO, and the Maple Hill trail is notably better counter clockwise IMO. Still good the other, but I only try to hit those places in my preferred direction.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby Waynosan » March 20th, 2018, 2:42 pm

The issue I see with intra-day (or day vs evening) reversals is that in order to eliminate the possibility of oncoming traffic, a certain period of time would have to be reserved for "clearing" of the trails of the riders already out. Honestly I think the next easiest option to implement after yearly reversals would be to go with daily. Add a big sign at the trailhead(s) stating something to the effect:

"On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays the trail directions run as labeled on map
On Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays the trail directions runs OPPOSITE the directions labeled on map"

This could be reinforced with the appropriate sign on the first turn.

I'm sure there's already precedents set so no need to re-invent the wheel, ha ha.

So how would we go forward with an official proposal? I'd love to see this implemented at Stony Creek, Bloomer, River Bends, etc. Would be willing to contribute to funds necessary to add or modify sign verbiage.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby b_b » March 20th, 2018, 3:54 pm

Waynosan wrote:"On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays the trail directions run as labeled on map
On Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays the trail directions runs OPPOSITE the directions labeled on map"

What about Saturday? :)
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby Waynosan » April 22nd, 2018, 11:22 am

Wanted to go to the CRAMBA meeting this past week to bring this up but unfortunately work had other plans for me... :(
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby TimTucker » June 7th, 2018, 3:20 pm

Assuming the goal is for more people to be able to try the trails in each direction, I would think it would be simpler / better to do an odd day / even schedule if alternating by day.

With a day of the week based schedule, someone who can only get out to the trails on Saturdays would only ever be able to ride in a single direction. With odd / even rotation, they'd see a switch up (almost) every other week.
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Re: Reverse trail directions (?)

Postby SloMo » June 8th, 2018, 6:52 am

The trail I ride in Florida alternates on the first of the month.
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