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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby dh1 » August 10th, 2010, 7:52 am

Rode Luton for the second time the other day. Awesome work on the trial guys! This is quickly becoming one of my favorite trails.

On a sad note, someone broke into my truck in the parking lot there Monday night and stole my buddies iPhone. If anyone happened to be there at around 6:30 and saw this go down, I would appreciate any details you can provide. It would have been pretty conspicuous because the alarm was going off in my Suburban while this was happening.

Lessons learned:
- don't leave valuables on the floor of your car.
- apparently some thieves have arms like my 9 year old daughter that can fit through a 2" window gap
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby RickPlite » August 11th, 2010, 3:21 pm

The county started bringing in loads of crushed concrete today but had to quit due to the heavy rain. Hopefully they can continue tomorrow. The blue trail was widened to accomodate the dump truck. Shocking :shock: to see at first but it will grow back. Due to the rain and contruction I would avoid the trail until the weekend. Even then the blue loop on the east and west ends may be rough going for sometime. We plan to leave some of the boardwalks in place as trail obstacles.
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby tdog » August 12th, 2010, 4:03 pm

what a mess! stay away for a few days until complete.....try the burg! should nice when done! i hope
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby RickPlite » August 13th, 2010, 9:51 pm

A huge thank you to General Electric volunteers! Trail work is 75% done. Use caution on the east half of the Blue Loop as we ran out of gravel and donated all the sweat we had to offer in the 90 degree heat. Who is up for helping with round two? We need $ for gravel/dirt and lots of volunteers. Take a stroll on the west portion and you will see what the proper amount of fill can do. 126 yards installed!
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby tdog » August 14th, 2010, 3:39 pm

What about using some of the coin the mmba makes with the Yankee time trial?
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby Koz65 » August 16th, 2010, 9:08 am

Are they competely doing away with the boardwalks? I have a bunch of deck wood I was going to donate to build more.
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby RickPlite » August 16th, 2010, 10:16 am

Koz65 wrote:Are they competely doing away with the boardwalks? I have a bunch of deck wood I was going to donate to build more.


thanks for the offer but we dont need any more boardwalks. since the Blue Loop is the "Easy" trail and it sees the most amount of hiking traffic, the county prefers less boardwalks for this area. Not sure if you have noticed but many beginner riders were still riding through the muck since they dont have the confidence to ride skinny boardwalks. We will leave a few in place for people to work on their skills riding.

Look for an annoucement here and on the kiosk as to when the county will deliver more crushed concrete. Probably the week of Aug 23rd. We will set up a few evening trail days to spread it out. The weekends are booked for most of us at this point.

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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby RickPlite » August 17th, 2010, 10:52 am

Luton Park is developing many bandit shortcuts, trail straightening, bypasses or whatever you want to call it. Some of the lines appear to happen from inexperienced riders looking for an easier way, some look to be from experienced riders wanting to go faster. Some new lines flow better, some not so much. I personally don't bother to try and block the new lines because I would rather be riding my bike than stopping and playing with sticks every few miles only to have someone toss them out of the way again. Apparently a few people have some power issues going on and I am tired of it.
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Lets just call a truce to all this and let the lines develop. In time one or maybe both lines will remain open.

I am not condoning these route changes and this isn't an open invitation to alter corners out there.

Believe it or not, there is a reason for the way a trail is laid out. A few of the kinks in the trail are chokes put in on purpose to slow riders ahead of time which will eliminate some braking bumps (such as in the Red Loop corner log). Riding through the pair of tight trees on the ridge after the cedar bridge on the Black Loop is the preferred path as to avoid washing out the side of the ridge on the left. The stone armoring on the roots of the Green Loop just before re-entering the Blue Loop should have a by-pass to the left or right since it is a beginner loop.

By no means should someone be cutting out trees or pulling out rocks to alter the trail design, which I see evidence of. Beginner or expert, friend or foe, leave the trails alone and just ride your bike.
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby gtrowbridge » August 17th, 2010, 12:13 pm

RickPlite wrote:Luton Park is developing many bandit shortcuts, trail straightening, bypasses or whatever you want to call it. Some of the lines appear to happen from inexperienced riders looking for an easier way, some look to be from experienced riders wanting to go faster. Some new lines flow better, some not so much. I don't bother to try and block the new lines because I would rather be riding my bike than stopping and playing with sticks every few miles only to have said bandits or someone that means well to toss them out of the way again. Apparently a few people have some power issues going on and I am tired of seeing it going on.
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Lets just call a truce to all this and let the lines develop. In time one or maybe both will remain open.

I am not condoning these route changes and this isn't an open invitation to alter corners out there.

Believe it or not, there is a reason for the way a trail is laid out. A few of the kinks in the trail are chokes put in on purpose to slow riders ahead of time which will eliminate some breaking bumps (as in the Red Loop corner log). Riding through the pair of tight trees on the ridge after the cedar bridge on the Black Loop is the preferred path as to avoid washing out the side of the ridge on the left. The stone armoring on the roots of the Green Loop just before re-entering the Blue Loop should have a by-pass to the left or right since it is a beginner loop.

By no means should someone be cutting out trees or pulling out rocks to alter the trail design, which I see evidence of. Beginner or expert, leave the trails alone and just ride your bike.


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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby Scotty » August 17th, 2010, 2:18 pm

The people making changes to the trail probably don't read this board. They're more than likely ignorant of the trail management issues involved here. It's the same thing that's been going on at the CSGA. I've seen it at the Cannonsburg Ski Hill too.

I don't know what the answer is. More "education?" You can paint it on a giant billboard in the parking lot and half the chodes won't read it.

People who KNOW what they're doing would build bandit trail somewhere AWAY from the existing trail so that few people would notice. :wink:
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby RickPlite » August 19th, 2010, 8:33 am

Scotty- I tend to disagree, I think they are reading this forum. It has been less than 48 hours since my request to leave the trails alone and now someone has literally cut trees out of the trail in areas I described. They also raked a re-route/shortcut open on the first switchback of the Black Loop, fall line no less. I truly believe they did this to spite me after reading my post.

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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby John_H » August 19th, 2010, 11:05 am

RickPlite wrote:Scotty- I tend to disagree, I think they are reading this forum. It has been less than 48 hours since my request to leave the trails alone and now someone has literally cut trees out of the trail in areas I described. They also raked a re-route/shortcut open on the first switchback of the Black Loop, fall line no less. I truly believe they did this to spite me after reading my post.

Wow! Ridiculous! I think someone may need to camp out there in full camo and catch red handed!
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby Mark H. » August 19th, 2010, 4:13 pm

I think someone is feeding off of these comments on here, just like a little kid. Maybe let it go & they will stop, I hope that people still ride the old routes, & that person can wast his time on the reroutes.

Cutting trees out! WTF are they doing!
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby Scotty » August 20th, 2010, 3:43 pm

John_H wrote:
RickPlite wrote:Scotty- I tend to disagree, I think they are reading this forum. It has been less than 48 hours since my request to leave the trails alone and now someone has literally cut trees out of the trail in areas I described. They also raked a re-route/shortcut open on the first switchback of the Black Loop, fall line no less. I truly believe they did this to spite me after reading my post.

Wow! Ridiculous! I think someone may need to camp out there in full camo and catch red handed!


Hmmm.

If it's that dramatic I'm guessing you've got a rouge trail builder out there. Whether they're "in the know" as to what goes on in these forums is impossible to guess. But it's obvious that it's more than just spur of the moment short cuts if they're raking the trail and cutting down trees. Whoever is doing it knows exactly what they're doing.

The only way you'll nail the SOB is if someone sees them doing it, recognizes them and squeals on them.
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Re: Western: Luton Park

Postby Slimm » August 25th, 2010, 8:32 am

trail was dry and fast last night. getting slick in some of the tight corners.

the fill on blue seems to have helped the standing water issues, I think I heard they are bringing in more to finish the area at blue/orange this week.

looks like the rogues have been at it again blocking off authorized trail, in spite of the request of the TC and the notice posted by the county that they will prosecute anyone found doing that sort of thing. At least I didn't see any new short cuts or cut down trees.
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